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#1 socrates

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Inviato 26 August 2016 - 07:59 AM

ciao gente,

vi scrivo per una consulenza se possibile...

 

ho un phantom f12 ( euro 2 ) del 2012 che non fa più corrente, 

ho cambiato la centralina/bobina ( nera con spinotto rosso) ma non funziona comunque...

cavi e candela testati: sono ok...

ho cambiato il regolatore ma non funziona ....

il pick up ho fatto tutte le prove del caso col tester e sembra funzionare a dovere...

resta solo lo statore: quanti volt in alternata dovrebbe fare?

dando una pedalata o facendo girare con il motorino d'avviamento da solo 7 / 8 volts....mi sembrano pochi.

che dite?

grazie a tutti...


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#2 borro93

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Inviato 26 August 2016 - 01:49 PM

Rendersi conto del funzionamento del pickup è difficile senza un oscilloscopio... La centralina è alimentata dal cavo bianco, controlla col tester la tensione alternata. Dovrebbero esserci come minimo 150V, se non ci sono ed il regolatore funziona allora hai problemi con lo statore.
Se invece rilevi qualche centinaio di V e non c'è comunque scintilla controlla meglio il pickup!


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Inviato 30 August 2016 - 09:57 PM

Ok, grazie. Ho ordinato lo statore...dovrebbe arrivare a giorni.vedremo...
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Inviato 02 September 2016 - 07:25 AM

aggiornamento:

rimontato lo statore, ha fatto subito la scintilla come dovrebbe essere

il problema è che dopo pochi secondi ha smesso di nuovo....

lo statore Nuovo fa pochissimi volt

ho visto però che il volano segna quasi impercettibilmente il piattello dove sono montate le bobine...

puo' essere che scarica a massa la corrente?....


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Inviato 02 September 2016 - 07:42 AM

c'è da resettare qualcosa? 


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#6 borro93

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Inviato 02 September 2016 - 02:22 PM

Se il volano tocca i poli metallici dello statore non ci sono problemi di scarica. La tensione in uscita l'hai controllata al filo bianco della centralina? 
Se hai pochi volt lì ci sono tre possibili cause: 

-Statore in corto (rovinato meccanicamente è difficile perchè è avvolto da una resina nera, se c'è un sovraccarico può darsi che le spire abbiano fuso l'isolante e si siano cortocircuitate, ma è una cosa poco probabile)
-Centralina in corto (condensatore in via di rottura, diodo di protezione della bobina saltato sono le maggiori cause)
-Stacca massa difettoso


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Inviato 05 September 2016 - 10:44 AM

...dunque...

cambiato lo statore e funziona solo mettendolo in moto con la pedivella, sembra che provando a metterlo in moto con il motorino d'avviamento giri troppo piano per far corrente...anche con batteria nuova

una volta acceso alla batteria arriva 12.50 volt...da manuale dovrebbe tra i 13 e i 14...


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Inviato 05 September 2016 - 10:48 AM

ah...regolatore, bobina/centralina sono nuovi...

può centrare il volano?


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Inviato 05 September 2016 - 11:22 AM

Quando prende un po' di giri dovrebbe salire la tensione, al minimo se segna 12,5 va bene! Che non parta col motorino d'avviamento può dipendere da fattori esterni.
Il volano non c'entra niente dato che è un magnete, se si rovina lo vedi deformato.
 


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Inviato 05 September 2016 - 09:39 PM

ho visto però che il volano segna quasi impercettibilmente il piattello dove sono montate le bobine...

a me è questo che preoccupa. non deve esserci contatto fisico!
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Inviato 23 September 2016 - 07:36 AM

ciao ragazzi... un aggiornamento.... 

ad oggi parte bene con l'avviamento a pedana, funziona bene, ecc ecc

ma con l'avviamento elettrico non ne vuole sapere, nemmeno da caldo...

ho cambiato batteria, motorino avviamento, candela....

premendo il tasto START gira veloce, fa uno scoppietto ogni tanto, ma non parte

in questi giorni mi sono arrangiato con la pedalina...ma non è la soluzione

che paxxe!!!!


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